Protestantism vs. Catholic Miracles
Protestantism vs. Catholic Miracles
In this episode, Trent shows how Protestant attempts to explain away Catholic miracles mirror atheist attempts to explain Christian miracles.
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00:00 Intro
00:56 Biblical Miracles vs Ongoing Miracles
01:31 Protestant Views on Miracles
03:17 Cessationism and Atheism
06:28 Fatima and other Marian Apparitions
09:40 Demonic Impersonations
13:05 What about Protestant Miracles?
15:36 Miracles Confirming Catholic Theology
17:05 Conclusion
No need to be a Catholic apologists. They are too many. It’s the biggest cult ever. Jesus is not Catholic. Jesus talked about "born-again" conversion. Never Catholic conversion.
Have you addressed the “Jesus Mythicism” people anywhere, guys like R Carrier and R M Price?
I’ve never seen any Protestant address Catholic miracles.
After the resurrection they didn’t just see Jesus but touched him.
I think Calvinism is of the devil much like rapture is.
TBH I am skeptical of most miracles.
I’m not at all opposed to the likeliness that God has moved miraculously on behalf of Catholic people. But, it is incredibly unlikely that miracles like Fatima or Mary apparitions are real, and/or from God.
First of all, what happened there is absolutely not God’s style. Of the countless miracles he performed in biblical times, not one was just for show – all were to benefit his people. Fatima was just for show, just like the Muslim claim that Muhammad split the moon, and thus becomes much more likely that it was in fact demonic than God, if at all.
Also, because it would make no sense for God to want to perform a miracle only to glorify Mary, instead of Jesus, hell again stands as the only logical source behind that, to lead people away from the one who can save them. The only one worthy of worship. It should also be said that there were many people interviewed on hand that day at Fatima who said they saw nothing supernatural at all.
Finally, I’m amazed Trent somehow found a way to sidestep the fact that God IS doing countless miraculous works on behalf of many non-Catholic Christians today, to the point they are common. I left Catholicism because of its countless false teachings, and dead, methodical, vacuous masses, watching everyone around me (myself also) drone on like robots in endless repetition. But I eventually ran to the truth of Christianity, because in it Jesus revealed himself personally, POWERFULLY to me immediately upon receiving him, in completely setting me free from a lifelong addiction to alcohol. An addiction that I had, in part, due to the Catholic environment I existed in my whole life, in which everybody drank…which of course, is sin. Trent does a better job than anyone I have ever heard to try to apologize for the Catholic faith, yet still falls incredibly short of succeeding.
Great video father. I couldn’t agree more. Your choices metaphor was a bit off IMHO. Person A still needs the choice of water at some point. Otherwise, just drink whatever anyway because death is inevitable. Rather, they should be presented each option in turn knowing the water is there. (The options should also be a bit more palatable.) It may be harder to get to and it might take making difficult decisions to get the water. Still, they WILL get the water. The others may quench thirst temporarily, but will ultimately not lead to life. In the video, Person B is just lucky. That’s possible but unlikely. The water isn’t going to be handed to you most of the time.
So I really do hate to say this because I’m one of those people that wants to believe provided I’m not stepping outside of God’s plan or design. I’ve always struggled with the phrase "never was it known." Because as much as I’d like to believe it, I have always experienced the situations where it was known. At least by me. And there might be an abstract philosophical explaining away of this, but that kind of defeats the definition and purpose of a miracle. I’ll let you know if that changes of course. I have a few requests I’ve been asking since I was a teenager. Just waiting at this point. Some of them unfortunately time has already passed the urgency of when it needed to happen.
I am Protestant because Jesus said “ unless you are born again you will not see the kingdom of God”. Catholics don’t teach this. I was raised catholic but was never born again until I went to Protestant church. I love my catholic friends and don’t mean any disrespect. I just spent 6 weeks taking catechism class and so much doctrine that doesn’t line up with the word of God. We will stand and be judged by a Holy God one day and the magisterium will not be there to defend you! We will be judged by the Word of God. No Traditions of man. How many times in the Bible did Jesus say your faith has saved you?
Jesus alone can save!
A crying statue is not a miracle. A sweating statue is not a miracle.
Respectfully, Protestants would never expect Calvin or Luther to show up and complete miracles because we believe they are passed on. We believe that to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. Hearing that Protestants were saying pictures of Martin Luther would not burn in a fire is completely bizarre to me. He was a man that is now passed on. I do not for a second believe anything like that and was never taught anything like that growing up. Edit: I should add that I do believe that Jesus heals and still performs miracles to this day.
Catholics burning people to death and supporting the Holocaust kinda ruined your credibility.
Protestant here -Saints praying for us is not the Catholic teaching that really disturbs me. Why, Why You say the Virgin Mary Is Co-Redeemer of mankind? This is the thing that keeps ne away frim Catholicism. It really sounds like heresy, Christ is our only savior, only He is the way to God and salvation. Please explain this co redeemer dogma.
"They worship Me in vain, teaching as doctrines human commands. Abandoning the command of God, you hold on to human tradition." – Mark 7:7-8
"And no wonder! For Satan disguises himself as an angel of light." – 2 Corinthians 11:14
Not every protestant denomination are the same ..
As if any of GOD’s manner of connecting with Saints ever ended. To presume so is akin to atheism.
I didnt become a Catholic Christian without a combination of recent healing, prophecy among other things.
What you mean catholic miracles. Miracles are from God , Jesus Christ. In no other name is there salvation. Jesus Christ is the only mediator between God and man. All prayers must be prayed only in Jesus Christ name to be accepted, all according to the Bible.
I guess Fatima never happened then
As a former Protestant, I can tell you know- it is because they love their own idols more than they love God as he is.
Who cares what Protestants think about Miracles? It’s irrelevant.
are you crazy to say there’s better evidence of Mary’s apparition than resurrection? that is a twist of the devil.. to sway the truth from The Truth which is Jesus, who is the only way
If you truly believe in Christ and His promise to us, why would you even need any miracles? Miracles seem like something for those individuals who are weak in their faith, but in reality, will only further weaken their faith as their dependence and need for affirmations increase and cloud what should be they’re need for Christ alone.
As a protestant who grew up witnessing and receiving miracles, I was always very weirded out by protestants who did not believe miracles could happen. It was the miracles of the Catholic Church that helped me to see another form of its credibility.
Protestant are skeptical of Roman Catholics, not Catholics. Huge difference.
To iggyantiac : the few things Mary ( the most blessed woman to ever live ) are written in the word of TRUTH,,,, if she came from the dead to tell you something, it can’t be her , but a spirit pretending to be her, that’s necromancy, and that is demonic, and the word of TRUTH condemns it !
One of the few things she is recorded as saying; John 2:5 "do whatever HE ( JESUS) tells you…"
Great video! Enjoyed your patient work through of this. I’ve been wrestling a lot with miracles. Definitely always careful to attribute to Satan what might be the work of the Holy Spirit. This is the sin that the pharisees committed which Christ said was unforgivable.
As a Catholic I’m in major doubt about any miracles even Catholic
Miracles prove God’s power, not a, or any particular church.
Miracles are everywhere
I’ve always wondered why there are thousands of Protestant denominations, how do they know which one is correct?
Protestants argue like atheists when they talk to Catholics lol. Cmon.
In the Book of First John it says to test the spirits, to see if they are really from God or Not, so are you testing these spirits to really see if it is really the Virgin Mary or just assuming it is?
Every Catholic podcast or channel studio ALWAYS has a bookshelf and icon in the background.
Is it possible that some things that are " spiritual and supernatural" are actually the " signs and lying wonders spoken about in 2 Thessalonians 2:9 …..2 Corinthians 11: 14 – for Satan himself comes disguised as an angel of light…
Protestants believe in miracles. We also believe not all miracles are of God.
Matthew 7:22 Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; leave Me, you who practice lawlessness.’
Our Heavenly Father does not recognize either the Catholic Church or the Protestant churches. All of them are Man-made. Peter was not the first Pope of the Catholic Church. He was the chief Apostle of the Church of Jesus Christ, which Church fell away after several hundred years as the Apostle Paul prophesied it would. The Catholic Church was actually founded at a Council a few hundred years after the Crucifixion and Resurrection of the Savior. Peter had nothing to do with the Catholic Church. As a matter of fact, the Apostle Peter, accompanied by two other ancient Apostles, James and John, personally appeared to the Prophet Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery in 1829 to personally Restore the Melchizedek Priesthood back to the earth in the latter day. It was the Apostle Peter who prophesied there would be a "Restitution of all things " in the latter day. That prophecy was fulfilled with God and Christ personally Restoring the Gospel and Church of Jesus Christ through the Prophet Joseph Smith.
The Scribes and Pharisees dismissed Jesus’ healing of the paralytic as a work of the devil.
Because they are not evidentialist
Were not sceptical. We just know catholicism is a false religion. Period.
Miracles aren’t necessarily good or bad. But they are not supposed to be basis for our faith. Jesus used miracles to bring crowds to listen to his words of salvation. He even warned then against this many times one example is in Jn 6:26 ❤
I don’t think Catholics believe in every miracle that happens either, so to use the argument that skepticism is unhealthy or atheistic is at best, biased.
Speaking for myself, I’m skeptical first because many of the Catholic miracles don’t look like the miracles recorded in Scripture. By and large, miracles in the Bible are performed by or at least clearly associated with a specific person and done in public (so they can be witnessed), and are either specifically displays of power (the ten plagues in Exodus) or benefit someone in some way (healings, multiplication of food) or punish someone (becoming a leper, being swallowed by the earth). They also tend to (though not universally) be associated with a message, or at least give credibility to God’s prophet. Marian apparitions, unwitnessed changes of Eucharistic bread into flesh and blood, and even a lot healings claimed as Catholic miracles don’t meet these criteria. Now I’m not saying NONE do, but certainly a large number don’t. A second reason is that Deut. 13:1-4 tells us that even if a prophet comes with a sign or wonder, we must reject that person if he tells us to follow other gods. Verse 4 ends the warning by saying “you shall walk after the Lord your God and fear Him and *keep His commandments and obey His voice*, and you shall serve Him and hold fast to Him.” This clearly connects the idea of serving God with obeying what he has already said. Leaving aside the fact that I think Catholicism sets aside the word of God for the traditions of men in several ways, this very method of testing prophets is incompatible with Catholicism because it requires the individual to test the prophet, while Catholicism requires the individual to submit unquestioningly to those whom it claims speak for God (councils and popes). God requires me to reject Catholic epistemology. Therefore I MUST be skeptical of Catholic miracles.
I’m a non-Catholic Christian who believes in miracles, but cannot accept much of the other stuff that is required of Catholics.
Love the videos. Would love to see one on what you think about Protestant miracles.
"Miracles" are claimed by all religions. This is a spurious way to try to "prove" any of them. The miracles of Hinduism would make your head spin as they leave the "miracles" of Catholicism in the dust.