Christian's Reaction To Bible Contradiction | Hashim | Speakers Corner
Christian's Reaction To Bible Contradiction | Hashim | Speakers Corner
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The statement "God hated Esau" in Malachi 1:2-3 is not a statement of personal animosity, but rather a declaration of God’s choice to favor Jacob and his descendants over Esau and his descendants, the Edomites. This preference is rooted in Esau’s disregard for his birthright and the spiritual blessings associated with it, while Jacob valued and sought after these
You taking that verse out of context.
It’s about God choosing one (Jacob) and not choosing the other(Esau)
But you are very arrogant,
A muslim should not be so arrogant in his tone.
In English translation it’s "hated" but if you check in Hebrew it’s different. God didn’t actually hated him, as people/human form of HATE.
This is not a hate like the human emotion of one man hating another, but an idiom more like loved less, or chosen and unchosen, accepted or rejected
There are parrallels in both the OT and NT.
Genesis 29:31-33, Deuteronomy 21:15, Matthew 6:24, Luke 14:26, John 12:25.
The statement "God hated Esau" in the Bible, specifically in Malachi 1:3, is not meant to imply God felt personal animosity towards Esau. Instead, it’s a theological and literary expression that highlights God’s choice and preference for Jacob. (Bro could’ve taken 5 seconds to look it up)
"Esau I have hated" (Malachi 1:3) doesn’t mean God actively disliked Esau. Instead, it indicates a lack of favor and a disinclination to extend the same covenantal blessings to Esau and his descendants.
Can God hate? YES. He hates sin but loves the soul. Get over yourself.
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Allah calls his followers abduls.
the Bible does not say God hated Esau in the sense of personal animosity or active dislike. The phrase "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated" (Malachi 1:2-3, Romans 9:13) is a statement of divine election and preference, not personal hatred. God chose Jacob to be the ancestor of the Israelites and the line of the covenant, while Esau and his descendants, the Edomites, were not chosen for this specific role.
Of course… Paul… Of course
Mistery
I like the the other guy is respectful and honest, regardless.
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Matthew 4:1 Jesus was tempted
James 1:13 God cannot be tempted…
John 1:29 Jesus was seen
John 4:12 No man has ever seen God
Acts 2:22 Jesus was and is a man sent by god
Numbers 23:19 God is not human
Hebrews 5:89 Jesus had to grow and learn
Isaiah 40:28 God doesn’t need to learn
Corinthians 15: 3-4 Jesus Died (according to Cristians)
Timothy 1:17 God cannot Die
Hebrew 5:7 Jesus needed salvation
Luke 1:37 God doesn’t need Salvation
John 4:6 Jesus grow weary
Isaiah 40:28 God cannot grow weary
Mark 4:38 Jesus Slept
Psalm 121: 2-4 God Doesn’t Sleep
John 5:19 Jesus is not all powerful
Isaiah 45: 5-7 God is All powerful
Mark 13:32 Jesus wasn’t all knowing
Isaiah 46:9 God is all knowing
Matthew 21:10-11
10 When Jesus entered Jerusalem, the whole city was stirred and asked, "Who is this?"
11 The crowds answered, "This is Jesus, the PROPHET from Nazareth in Galilee."
Quran 3:71
O People of the Scripture, why do you mix (confuse) the truth with falsehood and conceal the truth while you know (it)?
He’s still young, hopefully Allah will guide him to the truth.
That’s not what hate means in the Bible. Hate means love less in the Bible. "If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple." Luke 14:26. But, God’s 5th Commandant is to honor your mother and father. So, hate means to love less in that context.
God didn’t hate Esau from the womb.he preferred Jacob as blessing of Israel and Esau was blessed with edom.But Esau started to disobey gods way and s focused on worldly things and sold his birthright.Thats why romans 9:13 it says God love Jacob but hated Esau.That boy doesn’t know the bible well stop flexing on him.
May Allah grant you hidayah young honest man
You can’t take verses out of context. This passage is talking about how God predestined one twin brother to live to glorify him and the other was not given the same path. God as the designer has authority over us and uses us as he pleases. Everything is for his glory even if some are hardened for it.
People not understanding any Hebrew words have multiple meanings yes there may have been a translation error in some verses but does not contradict the Bible when you look at the hebrew words that often have multiple meanings and use context to use the right one
Good!
Christian say God sacrificed his only beloved son Jesus for the human sins. How unfair is that ?! And are you saying God loves the humans more than he loves his son ? ( we’re talking Christianity )
Who does the Father love more the humans or Jesus ?
And why aren’t you Christians sacrificing your sons ? I thought its love ?
Christians I need answers ….
That wouldn’t be a contradiction because God does hate evil doers according to David in
Psalm 5:5 NKJV
The boastful shall not stand in Your sight; You hate all workers of iniquity.
It may be a contradiction in the mind of the person who believes that Allāh loves unconditionally, but that’s because of their own indoctrination not having the full truth of the matter. But Allāh will judged between them on the day or resurrection in that in which they differed.
Brother, This guy has a wrong opinion about bible but the argument goes on with this guys claim about bible. If you look at the torah you will see that unlike this guy’s beliefe about love of god. In the old testament god clearly says that he does not love everyone no matter what, Equally, so from the start. This argument goes to trash bin. This guy’s knowledge about the bible does not included in the bible. It’s his contradiction not the bible’s contradiction. I love you my brothers may we meet some day Inshallah
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Number 23:19
God is not human, that he should lie, not a human being, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?
Matthew 21:10-11
When Jesus entered Jerusalem, the city was stirred up and people asked, “Who is this?”. The crowds answered, “This is Jesus, the prophet from Nazareth in Galilee”
Luke 7:16
"They were all filled with awe and praised God. ‘A great prophet has appeared among us,’ they said. ‘God has come to help his people."
(After Jesus raised the widow’s son from the dead, the crowd acknowledged Him as a prophet.)
John 6:14
"After the people saw the sign Jesus performed, they began to say, ‘Surely this is the Prophet who is to come into the world."
(This refers to Jesus feeding the 5,000, and the people recognizing Him as the promised prophet.)
John 7:40
"On hearing his words, some of the people said, ‘Surely this man is the Prophet."
(Some in the crowd identified Jesus as the Prophet foretold in Deuteronomy 18:15.)
Deuteronomy 18:15
(Prophesied about Jesus) "The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your fellow Israelites. You must listen to him."
(This verse is often seen as a prophecy about Jesus, who would come as a prophet like Moses.)
Acts 3:22-23
"For Moses said, ‘The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your own people; you must listen to everything he tells you. Anyone who does not listen to him will be completely cut off from their people."
(Peter quotes Deuteronomy 18:15, applying it to Jesus as the promised prophet.)
Matthew 13:57
"And they took offense at him. But Jesus said to them, ‘A prophet is not without honor except in his own town and in his own home."
(Jesus acknowledges His role as a prophet, noting the lack of honor He received in His hometown.)
John 4:19
"Sir,’ the woman said, ‘I can see that you are a prophet."
(The Samaritan woman at the well recognizes Jesus as a prophet after He reveals knowledge about her life.)
John 9:17
"Then they turned again to the blind man, ‘What have you to say about him? It was your eyes he opened.’ The man replied, ‘He is a prophet."
(The man healed of blindness testifies that Jesus is a prophet.)
Matthew 15:24
"I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel".
Here Jesus is clearly saying that he wasn’t sent for the whole world except only for Israelites.
John 5:30
By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him(Father) who sent me.
John 7:16
says. "My teaching is not mine, but his(Father )who sent me"
Luke 4:8
Jesus answered, "It is written: Worship the Lord your God and serve him(Father)only.
Timothy 2:5
For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Jesus Christ
John 17:3
And this is eternal life, that they may know You(Father), the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
Mark 10:18
So Jesus said to him, "Why do you call me good? No one is good but One, that is, God.
John 20:17
Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.
Matthew 24:36
"But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only.
Ezekiel 18:20
The one who sins is the one who will die. The child will not share the guilt of the parent, nor will the parent share the guilt of the child.
Matthew 27:46
About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?" (which means "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?").
Luke 24:19
"’What things?’ he asked. ‘About Jesus of Nazareth,’ they replied. ‘He was a prophet, powerful in word and deed before God and all the people."
(On the road to Emmaus, the disciples describe Jesus as a prophet.)
(Matthew 7:21-23)
"Not everyone who says to me ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many deeds of power in your name?’ Then will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; go away from me, you evildoers".
In this verses Jesus emphasizes that merely claiming to be a follower of Christ is not enough for salvation. True discipleship requires obedience only to God’s will. While some may perform impressive acts in Jesus’ name, such as prophesying, casting out demons, and performing miracles, these actions do not guarantee entry into the kingdom of heaven if they are not accompanied by a genuine commitment to God’s teachings and a righteous lifestyle. Jesus warns that those who fail to live according to God’s will will be rejected, even if they have performed seemingly miraculous deeds. Jesus was a prophet!
So, considering the context, God loving Jacob and hating Esau has nothing to do with the human emotions of love and hate. It has everything to do with God choosing one man and his descendants and rejecting another man and his descendants. God chose Abraham out of all the men in the world. The Bible very well could say, “Abraham I loved, and every other man I hated.” God chose Abraham’s son Isaac instead of Abraham’s son Ishmael.
This is a classic wrong understanding. The word "hated" in the passage saying "God hated Esau, and loved Jacob" means loved less, not hate, as we understand it. So there is no contradiction.
This is what Jesus Himself teaches:
The New Testament’s first usage of hate is a challenge to the idea that one person is allowed to hate another. In Matthew 5:43-45, Jesus says: “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I say to you, love your enemies, and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your heavenly Father, for he makes his sun rise on the bad and the good, and causes rain to fall on the just and the unjust.”
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I don’t know how to answer that, my English not that good sir.
You cant just take that one verse and say God is hateful. If you decide to keep reading and understand the context, it explains and continues from verse 14 on why that is said. We should never just take 1 verse and use it without context from the Bible, Torah, or Quran. God bless you my friend I pray you find Jesus like i have ✝️
I think its about the sin and not the persons because Esau killed and did the sin Jakob didnt did the sin so i think its about the Sin and not about the persons.
Just read the verses after and before that cuz it explains everything
obey law of god to obey emperor, slaves need to obey how harsh their masters. what kind of jealous god let himself being shamed paraded naked.
OK bro we love you but the answer to this question is found in the next few verses .
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It in hebrew meaning that less like not hating
“I don’t know” is a perfectly acceptable answer to start with! But staying in the same condition of “I don’t know” and not making an effort to study and learn isn’t acceptable, it’s actually blameworthy.
In Romans 9:13, Paul quotes the Old Testament verse Malachi 1:2–3, which says:
“As it is written, Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”
This verse can sound very strong, but let’s understand it properly:
1. Context of Romans 9
Paul is explaining that God’s choices are based on His divine will, not on human effort. He’s showing how God chose Jacob (Israel) to carry forward His covenant promises, not Esau.
2. "Hated" in Hebrew Meaning
In Hebrew culture, the word “hate” doesn’t always mean personal hatred or anger. It often means:
To reject or choose second (less favored).
A comparative expression.
Jesus used a similar style in Luke 14:26, where He says one must "hate" father and mother to follow Him—not literally hate, but love them less compared to God.
3. Esau as a Symbol
Jacob represents God’s chosen people (Israel).
Esau represents rejection—not because of personal hatred, but to show that God’s choices are not based on human merit.
4. Not About Jesus Personally Hating Esau
The verse is not saying Jesus personally hated Esau as a person. It’s a statement about God’s sovereign choice in history. Esau was still blessed in many ways (Genesis 33, 36), but God chose Jacob’s line for His redemptive plan.
The term "hated" in this context doesn’t necessarily imply active hatred in the way humans understand it. It’s a Semitic idiom that emphasizes a contrast in God’s choice, highlighting that one was chosen while the other was not.
How is that a contraction? If it says I love Jacob and I hate Jacob that’s a contradiction. Get it straight